[Question #8954] If I have had HPV for decades do I have it for life?
37 months ago
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Thank you so much for all your support, this is a fantastic service.
I have a remaining query over my HPV status history and future.
The first time HPV was screened for in my paps was 2021 when HR HpV (not sure what strain) was detected but I was referred for colposcopy in 2007 so assume had it then although my 2018 was clear (but didnt look explicitly for HPV.) I have been sexually active since 18 with 5 partners including my husband who I met in 2006 and am certain we have both been faithful so:
1. is it probable I have had HPV the whole time since 2006 if not before?
2. Given this, should I ever really expect to clear it as it seems pretty happily established and if my husband and I sleep together as frequently (at least as time allows parents of young children to do :) ) will we not keep reinfecting one another?
3. Given the reliability of cervical screening and as I get regular checks at the dentist for oral cancer does any of this matter?
4. Finally - is it possible for HPV to persist cervically but clear orally or once established at either end if it seems you’ve got it persistently do you have it in both for good?
Thank you!!! Your reassurances and explanations are hugely valued.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
37 months ago
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Welcome back to the forum. As you may know, Dr. Handsfield and I share responsibilities for answering questions in a random fashion and on this occasion I happen to pick up your question. Thus you will receive perspectives on your questions from both of us. In preparing to answer your question I reviewed your earlier interaction with Dr. Handsfield and agree with all that he said.
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1. As a sexually active human, it is more likely than not that you had acquired HPV prior to your colposcopy in 2007. Even in the absence of HPV testing, HPV related Pap smear changes are leading cause of colposcopy. However, the remains unknown and is not something of concern. Obviously your findings were sufficiently benign as to permit watchful waiting and observation. Whether your current HPV infection is the same infection that was present years ago or not is impossible to say but would not be at all unreasonable. It’s Dr. Handsfield told you HPV infection can recur over time.
2. Clearly, your husband has been exposed to your infection on multiple occasions. That is not a concern I see no reason to change your sexual activities. The infection that you have now is most likely a persistent infection however rather than a reinfection. The key to managing this overtime it’s Dr. Handsfield is already said is the follow the recommendations of your gynecologist with periodic repeat examinations
3. No, in the larger scale things this does not matter. Regular check ups by your dentist and regular check ups as far as recommended by your gynecologist all the way to go. It is not an issue or concern for you, or your husband, just something to be acknowledged and dealt with.
4. There are no data to inform this question. Certainly HPV detection occurs on and off and is likely to clear at all locations including your throat. Sorry I don’t have a better answer.
As you know, we provide up to three responses to each quiet question. If any part of my response is unclear or there are further questions, please don’t hesitate to use your two remaining follow ups for clarification. Please don’t worry. EWH
37 months ago
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Thank you so very much, that is hugely helpful.
Last point to clarify - if it is likely a persistent infection rather than reinfection, is it still likely I might clear it at least to the point where it wont be detected? I do understand that in a way it doesn't matter, I just cant quite rationalise the two points that I may have had this since or before 2007 and that it could still clear. Am I right in understanding that there is some thought these days that many and maybe most hpv infections can persist for some time with varying degrees of being detected and that I shouldn’t fear the potentially long standing nature of this infection as making cancer more likely?
I do have faith in the screenings, but have some anxiety about base of the tongue / throat cancer as these are harder to detect so do want to maintain hope this might one day shift!
Thank you so much
Ww
37 months ago
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Ps (as my last supplementary) - the thing I just cant square is the reassurance Im at similar risk of cancers to most folks with the fact Ive likely had some strain of high risk HPV for 15 years. It isn't anxiety or shame or guilt driving this now so much as lack of understanding. Anything you can do to break this down to elementary school levels of scientific explanation would really help me. The facts I have got is that you typically / just about always need skin to skin rubbing as in sex for transmission (would that include kissing?), multiples more folks get HR HPV than get cancer and that many (i think) might be women like me who got it years back and have had it since or to varying degrees and still most likely wont get cancer and that we know this from decades of data. It just feels counter intuitive (no doubt illogically) to learn one has had a virus for years and years and isnt statistically at greater risk of consequences from it than most people. I hope you can understand and sorry if this doesnt make sense, three year old daughter is on a sleep strike and that probably isnt helping my already limited mental capacity for understanding this stuff.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
37 months ago
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Please let me go back to the beginning. Now that you have tested positive on two occasions for high risk HPV, what has been done? Were the PAP smear findings normal? Was there discussion of colposcopy? EWH---
37 months ago
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Of course doctor and thank you. I am in the UK and the NHS started specifically screening for HPV in 2019. The first smear I had after this was 2021 and picked it up and referred me for coloposcopy - v minor cell changes detected but nothing needing action. I am now on annual smears and the same thing happened again - smear and colcoscopy - high risk HPV and v minor cell changes. Again, no further action beyond continuing annual checks advised. My first irregular smear and referral to colposcopy was 2007, when I was 25 and already with my now husband and the same pattern happened but without specific mentioning of HPV. My smears in between were ok. I only learnt about any oral HPV risks recently, in general terms I mean, not for myself and that initially panicked me as we have had regular oral sex and particularly my “tasting” habit mentioned in my earlier question. I just want to properly understand the medical assurances about not needing to especially worry about this, especially with the oral stuff as my dentist cant check my tongue base etc as thoroughly as pap smears check my cervix. I hope this makes sense.
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
37 months ago
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Thanks for the additional information. Although you have had two HPV positive tests a year apart, there is still a possibility that the infection will clear with additional time. Admittedly, the longer the test remains positive, the more likely that this will continue to be the case but we can hope. In the interim, it sounds as though you are getting the recommended care. I'm afraid that as long as the test remains positive, most clinicians would recommend follow-up colposcopy. As long as there are no signs of progression seen on your colposcopies, there nothing more you can do other than to continue follow-up and to do your best not to worry. EWH---
37 months ago
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Thank you so much. Final follow up - the only issue that remains muddled for me is about self inoculation via vaginal fluids from my own hand to mouth. In some answers here it is suggested that this might happen and elsewhere seems to be suggested as very unlikely / close to impossible as you need there to be some element of friction or “massage” via abrasions so just swallowing cervical mucus would not transmit HPV. Are you able to clarify this point for me - I have not fully understood the scale of risk I have put myself at my tasting my own CM each day whilst having a HR HPV infection from the answers so far from you or Dr HHH and would hugely welcome the simplest answer you can write - thank you!!!!
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Edward W. Hook M.D.
37 months ago
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Final response. I know you are worried about the self-inoculation issue from your practice of tasting your vaginal fluids. I apologize if you have found our prior responses to you and others confusing. We try to say things differently when we get similarly questions repeatedly and the topic of self inoculation falls into that category. Let me try again. In science one can never say never. New knowledge and rare events continue to occur and be detected. That said, HPV self inoculation is simply not a meaningful problem for persons with HPV. For all of HPV transmission friction/microabrasions seem to facilitate transmission, helping to work the virus into the skin. This would be anticipated to be the case regarding the extraordinarily rare occasions when self-inoculation may have occurred. Your risk of having given yourself oral HPV from your practice of tasting your vaginal secretions is extraordinarily low and something that I urge you to put behind you as a concern.
This completes this thread. Pleasse don't worry. EWH
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