[Question #9067] [Question #8948] Started PrEP, but made a mistake Followup
36 months ago
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This is a followup to my question for Dr. Hook, I had about my possible exposure, six and a half weeks ago, June 24th, 2022. At 20 days I took an Alere Determine 4th Gen HIV-1/2 Combo rapid test, negative. At 21 days I took a HIV p24 Antigen/Antibody With Reflex to Confirmation, blood draw from vein, negative. At 38 days I took an Insti60 HIV-1/2 rapid test, negative. And today, 45 days since the encounter, I took again and Alere Determine 4th Gen HIV-1/2 Combo rapid test, negative. My GP and the HIV counselors have told me that I do not need to test again, but I am not sure. Am still very anxious about this and want to be sure I have not contracted HIV. Obvious question, do I need to test again, are my test results ABSOLUTELY conclusive? Number two, would the PrEP I started taking about three days prior to the encounter, have any effect on the conclusiveness of the results, such as decreasing the presence of p24? Thank you.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
36 months ago
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Welcome back. As you know, Dr. Hook and I share the forum, and I'm currently up for new questions -- but of course I reviewed your recent discussion with Dr. Hook.
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I'm not sure why you found it necessary to return. Probably you are aware it's your anxiety speaking here; all your current questions have been answered in your discussion with Dr. Hook and/or your previous threads, or the answers should be obvious from those discussions. Why do you doubt the advice you have had from your GP and HIV counselors? Probably they are equally expert in these issues and Dr. Hook and I are. The answers are yes, your test results indeed are absolutely conclusive (with or without the capital letter emphasis); and as Dr. Hook directly said, taking PrEP before the encounter could not have affected the timing or reliability of your test results. (And by the way, the only thing that can or eliminate p24 antigen from the blood is antibody to it: the antigen component of the test is negative in an infected person, antibody must be present. That's the beauty of the AgAb [4th generation, combo] HIV blood tests.)
So all is well. Do your best to stop worrying. Hang in there with your PrEP program, but with it, you really needn't be so concerned about HIV. I'm not suggesting you should have a cavalier attitude about it -- but don't sweat the trivial details!
Let me know if anything isn't clear. Best wishes -- HHH, MD
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36 months ago
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Thanks for answering, Dr. Handsfield. I am very anxious indeed, yes. I had my doubts because I didn't think tests so early on were fully conclusive. I thought the least is 45 days, and 3 or even 6 months by CDC standards. Also, the fact that 3/4 tests were rapid tests, and if I'm not mistaken are less accurate than a laboratory from the vein blood test. So how could they be so confident I was not an unlucky one that takes longer than usual? I am continuing my PrEP yes, I wish I would have waited a full week before the encounter for maximum protection, but what's done is done. Not sure if I will continue it down the line. I have too much anxiety about casual encounters and considering being celibate. What do you think?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
36 months ago
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You're way overthinking everything. Why would you assume you would be the exception to all the usual outcomes, and still fearful after all the reasoned, science based advice you have had -- both here and from your own providers???
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It appears you have an inflated perspective on risks of HIV. Here are some figures. If your partner had HIV, from a single episode of insertive unprotected anal sex, your odds of catching it would be around 1 in 1,000 (per CDC). Let's say the possibility your partner has it, despite his testimony, is 10%. Now the chance you were infected is 1 in ten thousand. (Pretty good odds already!) Let's also estimate that instead of PrEP being 95% effective, the late start reduced the chance to "only" 90%. Now we're at one chance in a hundred thousand you were infected. Now let's assume your current tests are "only" 99% reliable instead of 100%. Now the likelihood you have HIV calculates at one chance in 10 million. That's zero for all practical purposes. And some of these estimates are intentionally on the pessimistic side; the chance you are infected probably more like one in 100 million to a billion (you can do the math yourself if you like).
Really, mellow out. I seriously suggest you crack a beer or something similar, make eye contact with yourself in a mirror, tell yourself you don't have HIV, raise the beer and toast yourself with congratulations both for being uninfected and being committed to safe sex, and down the beer. Then go on with your life!
Being celibate on account of all this? Of course not. For most humans, sex is too important to be relegated to non participation; such intents therefore almost never work; and when they do, safety typically is reduced -- because breakthrough episodes tend to be one-off, spontaneous, and without condoms handy. Don't be dumb about all this.
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36 months ago
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One in 100 million to a billion, wow that makes me a feel a lot better, thanks! You're right, I'm overthinking all this too much and paranoid. Don't know why I'm like this. I will try to move on from this experience, continue on with PrEP, wear protection, and only have sexual encounters with people I trust from now on. Thanks again for all your help and reassurance.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
36 months ago
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Thanks for the thanks. I'm glad to have helped. My only last advice is that if and when you have future similar concerns about sexual exposures or risks, most likely the answers already exist in this and your previous thread; or the reassuring answers will be obvious from those discussions. There's really not much new under the sun when it comes to the sexual safety issues the forum deals with, and repeat questions on the same topic are discouraged. Thanks for your understanding! Best wishes and stay safe.---