[Question #9148] Repeatedly Reactive for Antigen, Negative for Antibodies and for HIV Itself

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35 months ago
Thank you in advance to whomever winds up answering this.

I'm a 27 year old heterosexual male, single and occasionally sexually active. (More on that below.) I recently developed genital warts, and so got tested (on Aug. 11th) for other STIs just in case. 11 days go by before my FNP calls me into the office and tells me the HIV Ag/Ab test came back "repeatedly reactive," though I tested negative for either type of HIV antibody. My heart stopped.

My FNP passed me off to her colleague, an MD, who informed me that such results indicate the presence of the HIV antigen. He explained that IF the results were true, this would imply that I had recently been infected and my body had yet to develop antibodies. He ordered a follow-up Quantitative RNA test to confirm.

As I anxiously awaited the results, I reflected on my recent (i.e., within 6 months) romantic encounters. These occurred with 4 women: A, B, C, and D. A and I had the highest-risk encounters (i.e., regular unprotected sex [no anal] in a recently-turned-monogamous relationship). But our last encounter was in March, and she's since tested negative for HIV (in mid-July). B and I had the next-highest-risk encounters all occurring on July 4th: protected vaginal sex, unprotected oral both ways. But she tested negative for HIV on Aug. 22. I made out with C on June 26th and with D on July 1st.

I couldn't figure out how I might have contracted HIV from any of these encounters. As it turns out, I didn't! According to the second test, anyway: "Not Detected." The MD declared the first test a false positive, but I insisted on a repeat Ag/Ab test to confirm. Results forthcoming.

My questions: (1) What would it mean were I to test positive for only the antigen again? (2) Can a person consistently show up on tests as having only the antigen without having HIV? (3) Might such a thing indicate a different health problem? (4) Given what's been said, does it sound like there's a real chance I might have an early HIV infection?

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
35 months ago
Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.

I am confident you do not have HIV. The clinic has done all the right things to confirm that, and you can expect your latest AgAb test will be negative. Several reasons:  your risk level is low, especially since I believe you are in the US or at least North America or Western Europe, where heterosexually transmitted HIV remains uncommon (despite what you might assume from media reports, health education websites, etc); and HIV is especially uncommon in sexually active women without special risks like commercial sex, injection drug use, and so on. There are some settings where the risk is higher, e.g. certain geographic areas and racial/ethnic minorities, but it sounds very unlikely any of your partners has HIV. In any case, the negative results in at least two of your recent sex partners also indicates you weren't exposed. (You're probably thinking about asking C and D to also be tested for HIV, but at this point I would consider that optional, especially when you get your expected negative final test results.) Second, the large majority of positive results in your situation indeed turn out to be false. Third, the negative RNA test is very strong evidence the initial Ag test was false.  So I will be exceedingly surprised if your pending AgAb test is positive.

As for your specific questions, (1) I think it isn't worth speculating on the most unlikely outcome. Frankly, if that were to happen -- positive AgAb again, with further testing confirming antigen but not antibody -- I would not know with certain how to interpret it. Most likely it would mean another false positive antigen test, but in that case in-person evaluation by a highly experienced HIV/AIDS expert, who undoubtedly would order additional RNA testing, would be the logical next step. It would also be important that your last two partners get tested. (2) No. Everyone with HIV develops measurable antibody within a few weeks -- typically within a week of antigen detection. (3) There have never been any reports of underlying health problems responsible for false positive HIV tests, either for antigen or antibody. There has been speculation about past exposure to related but unknown viruses, but that has never been confirmed and I have seen no fresh studies on this for at least 10-20 years. Certainly no underlying condition of any serious nature has ever been reported, to my knowledge. (4) As discussed, I think it virtually certain you do not have HIV.

In the unlikely chance your pending AgAb test is positive, the next step should be referral to a top-of-the-line HIV/AIDS or infectious diseases specialist, perhaps at your nearest academic medical center. But I really don't think that will happen.

I hope this information is helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear -- and please return with a follow-up comment when you have the new AgAb test result.

HHH, MD
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35 months ago
Dr. Handsfield,

First, thank you very much for the speedy, detailed, and thoughtful reply. It was helpful and reassuring to get your take on the case.

Second, and to my profound relief, I'm happy to report that your prediction came true: The follow-up Ag/Ab test was negative on all counts.

At this point, I'm rather confident that I don't have HIV; and the most recent test results, conjoined with your thoughts on the matter, have helped me to feel less concerned that there's any other underlying health problem to be concerned about. I wish I knew what events transpired to lead to the initial false positives, but I suppose I'll have to settle for chalking it up to some kind of fluke human-or-technological error. (Though if you do have any alternative hypotheses on this front, I'd be all ears: Understanding the cause of this nightmarish episode isn't necessary for my getting past it, but any progress towards such understanding would certainly be appreciated.)

In light of the foregoing, I'm a bit unsure how to proceed vis-à-vis this online service. I realize I have this follow-up and one more after. Since I'm relatively new to this whole having-HPV thing and you're an expert on the subject, I'd quite like to use this opportunity to put a few questions to you about that. But I realize I categorized this question thread as "HIV Safety and Prevention" rather than "HPV," and so I don't know if it'd amount to an abuse of the service to shift over to asking you HPV questions.

Here's what I'll do: I'll go ahead and write up some HPV questions, and if you conclude it's improper, you can ignore them and kindly suggest I purchase a new question credit some other time. Otherwise, I may ask a few more in the final follow-up.

1 - I just received the mixed news that at least two of my GWs, when biopsied, did not test positive for strains 6, 11, 16, 18, 31, or 33. (And that, sadly, is apparently all they tested for.) I was upset to learn they're not due to strains 6 or 11, and am now wondering: Is there any chance they might be due to 45, 52, or 58 (the remaining strains of Gardasil 9)? I realize you can't say with certainty, but it'd be helpful to know if those three are even wart-causing, and, if they are, whether there's any sense in the literature as to how prevalent they are. Expanding the question, I wonder if there's any sense of what the next-most-popular GW-causing strains are after 6 and 11?

2 - Lonesome though it'll be, I'm prepared to wait this active infection out, i.e. remain abstinent, monitor the situation, and, come some sufficiently long period of time without GWs, conclude that I'm maybe no longer contagious before dating again. But some of my GWs have been so extremely tiny that they're barely discernible by the naked eye, and it's left me wondering: Is there a possible scenario where I go 6 months or a year, say, without visible evidence of warts, though I had them all the while and simply couldn't see them? If so, how probable is that scenario? Do tiny GWs tend to stay tiny for long periods of time, or can you rely on them to eventually get big enough to see if left untreated?

3 - What, exactly, does shaving down there do vis-à-vis spreading HPV? Can shaving take you from having zero GWs to having a non-zero number of GWs, or can it only take you from having a non-zero number of GWs to having some higher non-zero number? It'd be nice to be able to shave down there again at least some day, perhaps after enough time has passed without visible evidence of GWs to warrant thinking my immune system has cleared or otherwise suppressed it. But I wonder if even then there'd remain some risk to shaving.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
35 months ago
I'm glad to hear about your final HIV test results and to have been of some help on that issue. I'll be happy to clarify any final questions about it, but your HPV related questions would have to be addressed in a new thread. The opportunity for follow-up comments is intended for clarification or discussion of the initial question, not to raise entirely new issues -- especially when the questions are relatively complex. Thank you for your understanding.---
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35 months ago
Understood! Thanks Dr. Handsfield.

Let me preface my final follow-up by saying that it's definitely anxiety-fueled. But I'm reaching out in the hopes of getting clearer on whether the anxiety is at all reasonable or just entirely unfounded; and, if it's reasonable, what, if anything, might be worth doing about it.

After the negative result on the second Ag/Ab test, I ceased being anxious about HIV until - just today - I began developing cold-or-flu-like symptoms: Sore throat, aches, possibly a mild fever. If I were assessing myself from the outside (i.e., as a neutral third party observer), I'd think it very likely that this is either COVID or some cold, and highly unlikely that it's HIV. (After all, I spend my days at a university where semester just began; surely there's plenty of COVID and cold going around.) But, sadly, I'm not a neutral third party observer, and it was not even a week ago that I was in the headspace of thinking I probably had HIV, and so of course my mind leapt at the possibility that these new symptoms are due to HIV.

And then I started researching, and was surprised (and mortified) to discover that there's apparently such a thing as latent HIV infections. According to Chavez et al. 2015, "In most cases, integration of the viral genome leads to productive infection, in which viral genes are transcribed followed by virion production. However, in rare instances, latency occurs instead of productive infection and is characterized by a provirus that produces little-to-no viral transcripts." ("HIV Latency Is Established Directly and Early in Both Resting and Activated Primary CD4 T Cells: Introduction). (For a supporting article, see, e.g., https://hivinfo.nih.gov/understanding-hiv/fact-sheets/what-latent-hiv-reservoir.)

This came as a shock to me, as it seems to be in tension with what I was told (by the aforementioned MD this past Tuesday, after the second Ag/Ab results came in, as well as by some internet MD from the admittedly-academically-distant year of 2008 here: https://www.thebody.com/article/long-can-hiv-lay-dormant-body), viz., that HIV isn't the sort of thing that goes dormant after the point of infection. In other words, though you may go awhile without symptoms, if you aren't receiving effective treatment you will still have an active (and detectable) viral infection ongoing within you.

So - as you might've gathered by now - my brain put the following horror story together: Somehow, your first test was in fact accurate and your most recent negative Ag/Ab test was either false or else misleading. The absence of anti-bodies and the absence of detectable viral load is due to the fact that your infection started off by going latent, but has now (for whatever reason) become an active infection, thereby causing your new cold-or-flu-like symptoms. You should go get re-tested for viral load.

I'm reaching out in the hopes that you might help me gauge the plausibility of this horror story - and the sense (or lack thereof) of getting re-tested again - by (i) explaining what the deal is with latent HIV, and, perhaps, by (ii) helping me to see where I may be going wrong in my thinking about it. Particularly, I'm wondering: Is the existence of the phenomenon discussed in Chavez et. al (2015) actually in tension with what I was told by my MD and the internet MD I cite above? Maybe it isn't. The articles don't say that the entirety of a person's HIV infection might be latent, such that they show up as having no viral load at all; so far as I've read, they only say that, sometimes, some infected cells don't start churning out virus, which is obviously consistent with other infected cells churning out virus. In light of this, perhaps the scenario I'm afraid of - where a person has no detectable virus whatsoever, because the entirety of their HIV infection is latent - is outlandish. Either way, I'd love to know.


Thank you again for your help with this. All the best.

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
35 months ago
You seriously misunderstand and are misinterpreting most if not all the information you are finding online. Like many or most anxious persons, you are being drawn to information that inflames your fears and missing the reassuring parts that also are present. The now famous statistician Nate Silver (fivethirtyeight.com) wrote a book, The Signal and the Noise. In it he says (approximate quote) "Give an anxious person a computer with an internet connection in a dark room, and soon he'll believe his cold is the bubonic plague." Sounds familiar, right?) I have neither the time nor the energy to read the various article and other sources you found. I'll just say that nobody in your situation ever turned out to have HIV. Believe, it, suck it up, and move on.

That ends this forum. I hope the discussion has been helpful. best wishes and stay safe.
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