[Question #9508] LGV clarity
32 months ago
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Hi Doctors, I am a Bi-sexual male based in NSW Australia and I recently was diagnosed with chlamydia via an anal swab. I have now completed 7 days of Doxycycline and believe I have now been cured.
However I have experienced itching on and off for a number or weeks before and now after treatment and In additional I suffer from diverticulitis which gives me to my understanding similar symptoms of LGV pain on left side of stomach, loss movements, mucus and occasional bleeding (mostly when I wipe excessively). I understand that LGV is mostly a concern for MSM and that it is mostly rectal based, I am now concerned that I have LGV? I am no very cluey on LGV and have found little to no clarity on Australian STI sites so would appreciate your expert advice.
1. Would my provider test my positive rectal sample for LGV?
2. Is LGV more contagious? Could It be spread say if I itch and then rub my eyes or another part of my body? Sometimes I do this when I am asleep or waking up.
3. Do I need to further testing? I understand testing is no necessary for cure as Doxycycline is very effective. But for LGV 21 days is required?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
32 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your question.
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You are wise to be concerned about rectal lymphogranumoma venereum (LGV), but it is very unlikely you have it.
As you probably know, but for other users who may read this: LGV is caused by particular strains of chlamydia which are more virulent and can cause more severe symptoms than most types of chlamydia. For 15 years there has been a significant rise in frequency of rectal LGV among men haven sex with men. When LGV is confirmed or suspected because of severe symptoms, treatment with doxycycline for 3 weeks is recommended, instead of the usual 1 week given for uncomplicated chlamydia. However, not all rectal LGV symptoms are severe; even when caused by LGV types of chlamydia, mild or asymptomatic infections are cured by doxycycline for 7 days. (This is something I know about. As it happens, five years ago I wrote an editorial that pointed out that 7 days treatment works just fine for the large majority of rectal LGV if symptoms are not severe: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29642122/ )
Sometimes rectal LGV extends above the rectum, i.e. higher into the colon, and you are right to be concerned symptoms can be virtually identical to those of colonic diverticulitis. However, if you were not having prominent rectal pain, bleeding, and perhaps low abdominal pain when your chlamydial infection was diagnosed, it is very unlikely it was due to LGV and almost certainly 7 days of doxycycline was sufficient for reliable cure. To your specific questions:
1) Most clinics or STD providers do not routinely test rectal chlamydia for LGV, but some may do so. I imagine it might be routine at some of your country's sexual health centres. (Collectively, Australia's federally supported SHCs are, in my opinion, the world's very best network of STI/HIV clinics.)
2) There is no evidence that the LGV strains of chlamydia are any more transmissible or contagious than others. Auto-inoculation (self transfer to new body sites) is never known to occur with chlamydia.
3) As implied above, even if you happened to have an LGV strain of chlamydia, you probably were cured with the standard 7 day course of doxycycline. However, if your diverticulitis symptoms are active -- low abdominal cramping, perhaps blood in stools, etc -- it would be reasonable to have another rectal swab for chlamydia testing and, if positive, testing of it for LGV.
As implied above, guaranteed expertise is available at your nearest SHC. (If you're near Melbourne or Sydney, those SHCs are the best of the best -- but all are excellent.)
I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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32 months ago
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Thank you Doctor.
Your truly an expert and your advice has given quiet alot of comfort thank you for that.
I've had lose movements on and off prior to and after my diagnosis but no real rectal pain apart from the itch and the bleeding is definitely not in the movement but outside. I was screening in NSW and the Doctor who provided me with directions was not concerned as this is the case ill monitor for anything and retest . I hadn't mentioned by diverticulitis or any concerns as I didn't have anything unusual at the time of screening just completing my normal checkup for STIs.
I am surprised regarding your statement of Auto-inoculation, why is this so? I have read a lot and quite a few articles and official department of health resources state this as a risk, I've been around your forum for long enough to know that they are very risk adverse so I am very glad you and Doctor Hook are providing this service.
Again thanks for your advice and by the way I hope you have a lovely Christmas and New year's!
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
32 months ago
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It sounds like your doctor is quite knowledgeable about these issues. Loose stools is not a symptom that raises suspicion of chlamydia or LGV.
Thanks for the thanks and the holiday greetings. Merry Christmas to you as well.
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32 months ago
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Thank you doctor for your advice and the link above i feel much better. I hope you have a lovely Christmas!
Sorry in advance, unfortunately like many i have fallen victim to the anxiety linked to STIs..
A final question if you are able? I woke this morning with a clear thin sticky discharge from my penis it was a single episode I don't recall becoming aroused during my sleep and was not so when i woke. I know I've been tested twice now for gonorrhea and chlamydia via urine both negative but as is the nature of myself my anxiety is getting the better of me?
1. Is discharge associated with STI constant or can a single event be enough?
2. I am assuming this is just my anxiety as I've tested negative but I don't want to expose anyone in future? Should I test again?
3. My only exposure since the last all clear was oral both giving and receiving, with him only momentarily performing oral on myself. I understand my risk is mostly gonorrhea, and that this should have shown on my test which I took at 4 weeks and again at 6 weeks (when my rectal swab was positive). Is there anything else I should be tested for?
3. Assuming that 7 weeks is to far out for symptoms if gonorrhea?
4. Is 6 weeks sufficient for conclusive results on a HIV and syphilis test?
32 months ago
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There is no pain with urination and the discharge has not occurred since. It was almost exactly like pre-cum
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
32 months ago
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"It was almost exactly like pre-cum." Undoubtedly that's what it was. Erections occur normally in all males during sleep, usually during REM (rapid eye movement, i.e. when dreaming) sleep, during which time pre-ejaculate fluid often is present. This was an entirely normal event and there is no need for further STD testing.
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That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.
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