[Question #9512] What is frottage? Last follow up hiv and hepatitis c

32 months ago

Sorry to return dr hunter like this will be last time doctor some questions remain unanswered I just don’t want to confuse myself risk is point 1b

1) for all questions : hiv is transmitted from unprotected sex that means penis with no condom INSIDE a vagina or anus or penis

Anything else I don’t need to RETURN to this forum again in regards to hiv this what you tell all your clients

1b) MY RISK for hiv and in general for both male and female is Naked massage I’m asking if woman sits on your anus and vaginal fluids or menstrual blood came out of her vagina and when INTO the anus

this is not a risk for hiv at all when massaging like this

this ia not a risk for both persons to the person rubbing vagina touching the anus or to the person male or female getting rubbed by vagina with vaginal fluids or blood entered the anus from the massage is this called frottage and not a risk for hiv

Assuming these persons have hiv

1c) reason why 1b above is not a risk for hiv because you must have a penis INSIDE the anus which is called anal sex or vaginal sex means penis must enter INSIDE the vagina

That’s also what you mean by vaginal or anal sex or oral sex (blow job ) which is Is the only way you get hiv ?

1d) dr hook says vagina rubbing on anus or anus to anus rubbing is called frottage is not a risk to both persons involved

So above point 1b was frottage ?

2) My last question : in regards to female to female sex Hiv medhelp experts told me yesterday you don’t get hiv from female to female sex for e.g vagina to vagina rubbing as dr hook says it’s frottage So it’s not a risk for hiv

So I am sure you AGREE with medhelp and DR HOOK

And from YOUR OWN dr hunter statement that no cases from female to female sex of hiv have been PROVEN from medhelp years ago I can share links if needed .

And besides im only asking That if vagina to vagina rubbed together by accident .

So I’m letting this go now ! Thanks

Edward W. Hook M.D.

32 months ago

Welcome back to the Forum. As you may know, Dr. Handsfield and I share the Forum. On this occasion I happened to pick up your question. FYI, while Dr. Handsfield and I have different styles of expression, we have not differed in the substance of our responses to clients in the more than 30 years we have worked together. To prepare for answering your current questions, I reviewed your earlier interaction with Dr. Handsfield and agree with all that he said. In answer to your current questions:

1) for all questions : hiv is transmitted from unprotected sex that means penis with no condom INSIDE a vagina or anus or penis .

This is correct, there must be penetration for HIV transmission to occur and condoms are highly effective for preventing transmission of STIs, including HIV.

Also correct. No penetration, no risk for HIV. This is true even if a partner's genital secretions get on you during the massage.

1c) reason why 1b above is not a risk for hiv because you must have a penis INSIDE the anus which is called anal sex or vaginal sex means penis must enter INSIDE the vagina

That’s also what you mean by vaginal or anal sex or oral sex (blow job ) which is Is the only way you get hiv ?

This is repetitive and also correct

1d) dr hook says vagina rubbing on anus or anus to anus rubbing is called frottage is not a risk to both persons involved

So above point 1b was frottage ?

This is also correct. FROTTAGE is the term used to describe naked massage/genital rubbing without penetration. Frottage is a NO RISK activity for HIV

So I am sure you AGREE with medhelp and DR HOOK

This is correct. Females rubbing vaginas together is a no risk event for HIV risk.

I hope these responses are helpful. Please avoid further repetitive questions. EWH

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32 months ago

Last time you will see me here please answer life will change

1) so you AGREE with experts on medhelp and doctor hunter statement years ago from medhelp that female to female sex has not been Been Proven to transmit hiv ?

Because it’s simple there is NO MALE PENIS which is needed to cause hiv that’s what they told me

1a) clarification is when two females rubbing vagina to vagina together EVEN with vaginal fluids or menstrual blood or blood from cuts On vagina going into the vagina between females is no risk

For hiv no need &no need for testing for hiv

2) clarity I’m asking fluids or blood going INSIDE the ANUS for both persons

hiv is not transmitted even if vagina rubbing on anus with vaginal body fluids or menstrual blood coming out of vagina went INSIDE the anus ?

Or it’s no risk hiv to to the woman who rubbed her vagina on me right so BOTH of us are safe assuming one of us had hiv ? You understood ?

3) I have one FINAL IMPORTANT question:

I took my child for BLOOD DRAW from vein used BUTTERFLY needle at hospital I believe you said it’s NOT a risk for hiv or hepatitis c Etc

The needle used on my child was NEW

but worried about re used blood collection tube also called as vacutainer Looks like plastic bottle it has vaccum inside of it that sucks blood during blood draw with two needles one goes into the blood collection tube and one goes into my sons vein .

My sons FIRST blood collection tube I fear was REUSED on previous patient with existing blood in it as it did not not work and did not suck blood once piercing the I think called luer adaptor needle it’s rubber coated

needle that fits in the vacutainer holder and other needle goes into my sons vein

so nurse used a second blood collection tube she did not change Needle that was in my sons vein

3a) I have two concerns blood won’t flow back into the needle and back into my sons vein if existing blood was in blood collection tube from previous patient when nurse tried to use the FIRST blood collection tube when it peirced the needle that’s inside vacutainer holder

3b) Lastly I’m worried blood inside the first blood collection tube from previous patient touched the needle that goes into the blood collection tube

And contaminated the needle( that’s inside the vacutainer holder) with blood inside the needle that has rubber cover on it

And then nurse inserted the second blood collection tube which was new it started to draw blood

blood won’t flow back in to my sons vein would the second new blood Blood collection tube only pull blood inside of tube no blood would go into my sons vein ?

So no risk for hiv hepatitis c the or any other blood borne infections.

3c) can you elaborate ? Im sure no one has been infected from blood draw hiv or hepatitis c even if this happened

32 months ago

Apologies for long post just asnwer briefly point 1 and 2 briefly and you can just explain point 3

I will get my life back

This will be my Christmas gift

Edward W. Hook M.D.

32 months ago

Straight to your repetitive questions:

1. There are reports of HIV acquisition among women who have only had sex with women. How one PROVES infection is debatable. Overall however experts agree that women to women sex is very, very low risk for HIV infection. Penetration must occur for sexual transmission of HIV

1a) clarification is when two females rubbing vagina to vagina together EVEN with vaginal fluids or menstrual blood or blood from cuts On vagina going into the vagina between females is no risk

For hiv no need &no need for testing for hiv.

Response- The activities described are not associated with risk for HIV.

1b. Understood and repetitive. Statement is still correct. Repeating the question will not change the answer,

2. Without penetration, blood and fluids would not go in the anus and there would be no risk

3. Having blood drawn with a new needle is a no risk event. Vacutainers cannot be reused. Have confidence that your son's blood draw was safe.

3a. You misunderstand how blood drawing works. Blood is taken out of the vein with blood draws, not put in. No risk form having blood drawn.

3b. Repetitive. Vacutainers cannot be reused. There are no instances when HIV or hepatitis C has been transmitted under the circumstances you describe.

Your questions suggest that you misunderstand how HIV and hepatitis are transmitted. I encourage you to have faith in your partners and procedures. If you personally have concerns about HIV, just get tested and then believe the test results.

Please, no further repetitive questions. EWH

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32 months ago

Last questions please answer point 2 and 3 is crucial and 5 I explained

1) so simple female to female sex transmission of hiv won’t happen as advised by medhelp as there is no penetration of the penis inside the vagina no need to for hiv testing

2) to clear your last previous reply when i said if woman is rubbing vagina on my anus If vaginal fluids or menstrual blood came out of vagina i meant because the anus HOLE is OPEN blood or vagina fluids can enter THE ANUS this so not a risk and Won’t cause hiv

Or to the woman who touched my anus BOTH persons are safe .

Assuming one of us had hiv

No need for hiv testing

3) TO PREVENT HIV for rest of my life IF a bare penis with no condom does not go INSIDE my vagina or anus or my mouth I will not get hiv

That’s all I need to remember right ?

3b) penis in mouth is only from giving blow jobs right ?

3c) when you said PENETRATION is needed to cause hiv that means penis must go inside vagina or anus this is called vaginal and anal sex ? .

It does NOT mean anus to anus rubbing or anything else which does not cause hiv

4) hepatitis c is transmitted only from anal sex which means penis inside the anus

And is not transmitted from fingering or anything else

5) blood draw : yes I know the vacutainer cannot be re used

if nurse attempted to draw blood from re used blood collection tube

from previous patient with blood in it the blood would REMAIN in the blood collection tube BUT would it TOUCH blood inside the needle that is in the vacuatainer holder as it pierced the blood collection tube which did not draw blood . ?

5a) even it contaminated my sons needle that fits in the vacutainer holder the blood would REMAIN in the needle and blood will not go back into my sons vein where needle is inserted

So when nurse used the second blood collection tube that would only suck blood into the Vacutainer from the contaminated needle and no blood will go into my sons vein where the needle is inserted

Therefore no risk for hiv hepatitis b or c or other blood borne infections from blood draw this way and NO Need to TEST for these viruses hiv etc ?

5b) may i know what prevents blood to flow back in my sons vein back if attempt was made to re used blood collection tube and won’t be a risk ?

5b) IMPORTANT: the vacutainer is the blood collection tube we are talking about I’m attaching the link And of the needle which fits in the holder for you thank

32 months ago

https://www.tigermedical.com/Products/Vacutainer-SST-Tubes__BD367983-1__BD367988-.aspx

32 months ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacutainer

Link 1 to the blood collection tube also known as vacutainer above

Link 2 is the vacutainer holder needle im talking about

https://www.nipro-group.com/en/our-offer/products-services/luer-adapter

Thank you please see these links for POINT 5B i accidentally pressed the link on previous post

And DO MENTION NO NEED for hiv testing or other blood borne infections

Only point 3 is what I need to remember

I will NOT return So plz answer ALL points

Life CHANGED thanks bye

Edward W. Hook M.D.

32 months ago

Final, brief responses to these repetitive questions. The answers do not change:

1. Correct

2. Correct

3. Correct

3b. Correct

3c. Correct

4. Correct

5a. Correct

5b. Buddy would not flow back into your son’s vein

This completes this thread. Your questions are repetitive and the answers have not changed. Please be aware that should you return to the question the forum again with further repetitive, anxiety driven questions they may be deleted without responses and without return of your posting fee. This is Forum policy That is done out of compassion and nothing else. There’s no benefit to you or to other clients for additional repetitive, anxiety driven questions. EWH

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Edward W. Hook M.D.

32 months ago

Correction to response 5B above. This should read BLOOD ( not buddy) would not flow back into your sons van. EWH ---