[Question #9545] Massage no penetration no risk ? Please help

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31 months ago
1) hello I am male just have question I took a naked massage  from woman escort which I Did not want to to take at hotel in Thailand 
The woman  did not touch my penis however she was rubbing vagina  on my complete body with her vagina my leg and on  my Ass I was so worried that she doesn’t touch my penis 

My only  risk is I think that her vagina was rubbing on my anus and any  vaginal fluid coming out of vagina or menstrual blood  enter my anus hole 
This is not how hiv  or hepatitis c or other stds is transmitted right ?

Assume she is infected with these viruses  

2) it says here hiv   is transmitted only from vaginal sex or anal sex or oral sex
I would like to know what these
 terms mean 

Vaginal sex is means penis with no condom inside vagina 

Anal sex means penis  with no condom inside the anus 

Oral sex is a risk from giving a blow job ? 
These are the only ways hiv is 

transmitted no other ways correct  so I didn’t no any of these  so I don’t need to test  for virus 

2b) for all stds if penis does not enter  inside of vagina or anus or mouth I cannot get hiv or stds 

3) further    hiv or  hepatitis b  or Hepatitis c is not transmitted from rubbing of vagina on anus  0R 
anus rubbing on vagina even blood or body fluids went into the anus hole 
 or into the vagina    So both male and female person involved assuming both persons are infected with these viruses   Cannot transmit the viruses to each other right ?

3a) Only way  hiv or hepatitis b or c is you must have PENETRATION meaning penis must enter inside vagina or anus or mouth that’s it NO OTHER ways   You get infected 

So I don’t need testing for hiv hepatitis b c 





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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
31 months ago
Welcome back to the forum.

Quickly scanning your previous questions and our replies, I think you already have been advised about the absence of STIs from massage. Without sex itself, there is no risk. Some people become concerned because they read (correctly) that some STDs are transmissible by skin-to-skin contact, and thus worry about massage. However, that term does mean that any and all skin-skin contact transmits STDs. It's only skin-to-skin contact DURING SEX that is risky, not hand-body, hand-genital, vaginal or anal fingering, etc. In addition, oral sex always is low risk:  all STDs are transmitted a lot less frequently than by vaginal or anal intercourse, and it's zero risk for some of them, including HIV for all practical purpose.

Those comments pretty well cover most of your questions, but to assure no misunderstanding:

1) You are correct:  no risk of any STD from the exposure described.

2) You correctly understand what is meant by vaginal, anal and oral sex, with or without a condom. (With a condom the risks are far lower, but it's still vaginal, anal or oral sex.) Do you "need to be tested" for HIV? No, not after any single exposure. However, when such events occur from time to time, it is still wise for such persons to be tested for HIV and other common STDs from time to time, like once a year -- even if there have been no obvious lapses in sexual safety. It's just common sense to err on the side of safety. Given the sexual events you have described here and in your previous threads, I would advise that once a year you have HIV and syphilis blood tests and a urine test for gonorrhea and chlamydia, but no others.

2b) Correct.

3 and 3a) Correct, but as noted above, it still makes sense to be tested from time to time, to protect against an unrecognized exposure or condom failure.

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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31 months ago
Thank you so much for your reply 

I asked I am not doing any SEX  so it was ONE TIME massage  exposure only  which was POINT 1 of previous post I want to confirm 

I would like it clear hiv hepatitis c  and hepatitis b first then other stds

And would like to Qoute  YOU on how to AVOID hepatitis c hiv hepatitis  b or Stds  REST OF MY LIFE  

Question  are 1 and 1b & answers are below that 

1) so to be clear my ONLY risk was woman was rubbing her vagina on my anus any body fluids  like vagina fluids or  menstrual blood or blood from cuts coming out of her vagina went into my anus Hole which is open  during  Naked massage 
This will NOT cause hiv hepatitis  c  hepatitis b or any other stds 
As this is  called frottage  and not vaginal or anal sex ? so  I don’t need testing for hiv or anything else 

1b)  in general if roles are reversed IF female person  rubbed vagina on anus  and if  body fluids from anus  such as feces or blood went into the vagina 
This is not how hiv or hepatitis b hepatitis c or stds are caused  
To the FEMALE  also As it’s not anal or vaginal sex ? 

1c)  to answer point 1 and 1b  above reason why it’s not a HIV risk and for all FUTURE CONCERNS 
 DR HUNTER YOU SAY to PREVENT HIV for  MALE and FEMALE person  its SIMPLE 
You must have  UNPROTECTED sex which means   penis with no condom  Must  be INSIDE the anus or vagina or mouth  that’s it 
Ignore all other risks & no other ways you get hiv 


1d) penis in mouth  mentioned in point 1c above is hiv risk to clarify only from giving blow job and not from receiving  ? 

2) TO PREVENT hepatitis c all your life  don’t have UNPROTECTED SEX that means if penis  with no condom does not go INSIDE the anus which  is called anal sex 
 You will not get hepatitis c as well that’s it 

Hepatitis c is NOT  transmitted from any other ways for example from vagina rubbing on anus and is no risk to both male and female 
Or hepatitis c is not transmitted from vaginal sex meaning penis inside vagina only 


3) what about other stds  e.g  chlamydia , herpes & hepatitis B  Etc  other stds doctor hunter you say  for BOTH male and female person  are also caused ONLY from UNPROTECTED SEX  which means  unprotected penis with No condom  inside the vagina or anus or mouth . 

You can ignore all other risks such as mentioned in point 1 and 1b  above and so  no need to test for any std  

4)To conclude doctor hunter you say  if you don’t have unprotected sex or share drug injection equipment you will never get hiv or hepatitis c &b or stds  

So I can Ignore all other risks such mentioned in point 1 and 1b above 

So I don’t need to test anything 

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
31 months ago
All these statements are correct. I am glad you understand that you can ignore the exposures described in terms of STD risk, and that you do not need to test for any STD or HIV.

That completes the two follow-up comments and replies included with each question, and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.
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