[Question #9717] PID, STD, or ovarian cyst?
29 months ago
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Hi there! I’m curious to see if my symptoms are related to PID or an ovarian cyst.
I’ve been having lower pelvic pain on my right side, and I thought normally was just ovulation but it persisted for over a week which is longer than it’s ever done for me. It’s very dull but I notice it.
I had a small cyst back in July, but wondering if this is related to PID or an STD. For reference, the guy I was dating and I got a full std panel back on 12/30, all negative, HSV and HIV included. We last had sex 1/19, unprotected, we were always unprotected. No other symptoms from me. I don’t have a reason to believe he had sex with anyone else but I’ve been wrong before and had chlamydia last summer.
Any advice/guidance is appreciated.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
29 months ago
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Welcome to the forum. Thanks for your confidence in our services.
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Unfortunately, I probably cannot help to the extent you're hoping. We take care to not create plausible impressions of practicing medicine from this distance. Despite that precaution, it's easier to judge some symptoms than others: urethral symptoms in males usually are fairly straightforward, as are the possibilities for vaginal discharge, vulvar itching or irritation, and genital ulcers or other genital skin problems in either sex. However, low abdominal pain has so many possibilities (in medical terms, a broad differential diagnosis) that it's rarely possible to be confident about particular causes. A few considerations will follow, but the bottom line is that seeing a doctor in person is likely to be necessary, as well as lab tests and perhaps imaging.
You've clearly been at low risk for STDs, and your negative testing panel 2 months ago -- and only one partner since then -- makes PID unlikely. But it doesn't rule it out entirely; some PID cases aren't due to STD at all. Absence of fever also reduces the likelihood, but doen't rule it out. It's the same for abnormal vaginal discharge or strong vaginal odor; if present, they would elevate the chance of PID -- presumably you don't have or you would have said something about it, but this too is only a clue, and their absence doesn't exclude PID. Beyond those comments, I have no way to judge PID versus ovarian cyst versus numerous other possibilities like low grade appendicitis, diverticulitis, endometriosis, inflammatory bowel disease, idiopathic lymphadenitis, and more. A further hypothetical issue is that "ovarian cyst" can be a difficult diagnosis to confirm -- some apparent cysts are themselves actually due to PID.
So my advice is to see your gynecologist, ideally the one who diagnosed your ovarian cyst. I imagine that in additon to a detailed medical and sexual history, she probably will repeat tests for gonorrhe and chlamydia, and might suggest other lab studies like CBC, inflammatory markers (sed rate, CRP [you can google them for more information]) and, depending on what is found on pelvic exam, perhaps a pelvic ultrasound and/or CT scan.
I hope these comments are somewhat helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.
HHH, MD
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29 months ago
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Thank you so much. I will follow up with my OBGYN.
Separately, I wanted to ask about something that is troubling me. This morning my anus was itching. When I took a mirror and looked inside my anus, I saw a bunch of red spots. They weren’t blistering or anything, only inside my anus, not on the outside. I have not had anal sex. Does this sound like herpes? These spots weren’t here two days ago. I only see them inside my anus when I spread the skin. Nothing on the outside. Is it possible my partner had sex with someone else and passed this to me? I’ve had an ongoing anal fissure but these are a bunch of dark circular dots. It doesn’t hurt to deficate, but I have had some lower pelvic pain as you know for a week and I’m wondering if these are herpes prodrome symptoms.
Please help. I have STD OCD fears and I’m freaking out and can’t get an OBGYN appt until Friday.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
29 months ago
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Anal itching and "red spots" inside the anus doesn't sound like herpes. On moist mucosal surfaces -- i.e. inside body cavities, including the anus and rectum -- herpes lesions rapidly ulcerate, i.e. become open sores, which in the anus or rectum would be very painful. Herpes prodrome doesn't last more than a day or two, and has never been described as causing pelvic pain. There are other reasons this almost certainly isn't herpes; it all this adds up to something else, and maybe not even abnormal. With itching plus red spots, conceivably you have a yeast infection.
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Your self described "STD OCD" needs to be taken into account, and much of what you described both yesterday and now could be overreaction to minor symptoms or even normal body sensations that, except for your OCD, might not be bothersome or even noticed. You're a better judge of this possibility than I can be, but to be maximally safe, seeing your ObG makes sense. I doubt serious harm will come by wating three days --- but if pain becomes severe (in either location) or if you develop other symptoms like fever, vaginal or anal discharge, or vaginal bleeding, your ObG probably would find a way to see you sooner -- or you might visit an urgent care clinic.
I'll be happy to comment one more time if you'd like to let me know the outcome of your gyn visit (or urgent care if necessary). But it is very unlikely I'll have any further useful advice until then, or in the event of more serious symptoms.
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29 months ago
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Hi Dr. Handsfield, thank you. I was not able to go to the OBGYN Friday but I am going today. After rummaging through the forum board and seeing other comparable questions, there is likely nothing herpes/genital warts related going on. If it was my first outbreak, it seems to me I would know based on the type of painful experience. I’m not a doctor, but considering the red spots went away the next day in my anus, have not had pain or discharge, that my last partner showed me his full panel of stds that I requested to have seX, it seems HSV2 or HPV is unlikely. There is a little cut above my anus, it’s a small red dot and it seems to bleed when I poke it (which is not something herpes or warts do as far as I understand) but aquaphor does help, as well as baths. Again, I’ll leave this to my OBGYN, but given the situation/the pelvic pain more being localized to my right side, I think receiving imaging and full testing is my best bet to rule out anything. I don’t think this person was cheating, and even so, from what the posts I read, it’s not THAT easy to transmit HSV2 - presumably, if it was a new infection, I likely would’ve had an outbreak by now. I also have diminished risk for HSV2 given my positive HSV1 status and also Gardasil shots. This person told me on the first date he had HSV1, I have to commend the honesty there. Should anything arise, I will gladly follow up and buy another post.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
29 months ago
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I'm glad your symptoms and the red spots are clearing up; it doesn't sound like much of anything is wrong. Only one clarification, however: although you can find lots of statements that having HSV of one type lessens the risk of infection if exposed to the other, in fact those data are very soft. There is no credible evidence that having HSV1 reduces the risk of HSV2 infection. (And of course Gardasil protects against HPV, with no effect on HSV.)
Beyond that, I don't see any new questions or need for clarification. As you seem to know, we're at the point that threads normally are closed (after two follow-up exchanges), but I'll leave this open so you can let me know if you need any furhter information or advice if you'd like to report the outcome of your visit with your doctor.
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29 months ago
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Hi Dr.! Thanks for the correction re: Gardasil and HPV. Dr. Hook mentioned once “ Further, as an FYI, the presence of prior HSV-1 as you have is also associated with diminished risk for acquisition of HSV-2.” I understand the data is soft though.
I didn’t get to see my typical doctor but this doctor swabbed my cut and told me she thinks I’ll be fine but this was the best way to be sure before a full STD test as well as a pelvic ultrasound. She also told me that I can have HSV1 and GHSV1, but after reading Terri’s responses, an infection in a new area is highly unlikely? She told me also that cuts or fissure like cut could be HSV2? I’m just confused. Did I get the right test? She mentioned IGM versus IGG too for a new active infection but if it’s negative to trust it. I thought IGM tests were flawed? Aren’t all swabs PCR tests?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
29 months ago
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This will have to close this thread.
While I certainly do not want to raise your anxieties, it seems clear your doctor does not understand some aspects of some STDs. No genuine STD or herpes expert ever requests HSV IgM antibody; the result snever are helpful and often misleading. It's a terrible test, at least in adults. (It may have value in diagnosing herpes in newborns.) You also are correct that almost nobody with HSV affecting one body site acquires it elsewhere; your known HSV1 (presumably oral) makes GHSV1 almost impossible for your anal lesion. The test test for acute infection is a PCR test from a lesion. Anal fissures of various sorts are so common to be largely viewed as normal from time to time; they rarely are due to herpes or other STD.
To me, your low abdominal pain is the most important of your symptoms and the highest priority for evaluation, so I agree pelvic ultrasound is a good step. Also, you don't mention CBC (complete blood count) and inflammatory markers like ESR and CRP; they often are key in evaluating possible PID or pelvic abscess. If "full STD test" means gonorrhea, chlamydia, syphilis blood test, etc, those indeed make sense to me.
Keep working with your doctor. I suggest not returning to this forum until full evaluation, with any recommended follow-up tests and images, have been completed -- and not interim results as they come in piecemeal.
However, my bottom line guesstimate is that you have no active STD and nothing else likely to be serious. So stay mellow as the evaluation proceeds. Good luck.
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