[Question #9836] Safe to interact with infants/young children?

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28 months ago
Hi Drs, thankyou very much for letting me ask a question. I think I’m being overly anxious about this but would like to check with you if possible.

I am an adult male, who as far as I know I have no STDs/blood borne diseases however I have been sexually active (with protection) relatively frequently.

I have several infant age nieces and nephews, and friends with young children also. I enjoy interacting with them however I am for some reason very worried about the possibility of somehow infecting them with an STD/blood borne disease through touching them in casual contact, or if they put a personal/household object of mine (eg grab my wallet etc and put in their mouth, as many babies do!) Also for instance if I have a bath and then later on completely separately their parents use that same bath for the baby.

I think I am probably worrying unnecessarily, but for reassurance could I check that with infants/young children an infrequent visitor like myself would pose no risk to them of any STDs or blood borne eg HIV/Hep B/Hep C/HTLV/HSV etc through casual contact? Even if I had these diseases and we were both unvaccinated against Hep B etc.

Thankyou so very much Drs.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
28 months ago
Welcome to the forum. Thank you for your confidence in our services.

The bottom line is that your statement "worrying unnecessarily" is exactly right. There is no risk whatever to the kids from the contacts you describe with them.

Neither children nor any other person are at the slightest risk for HIV or other blood borne infection from other than sex or direct sharing of blood, as in shared drug injection equipment, transfusion, etc. No teacher, day care worker, nurse, doctor (including surgeons) ever are required by either law or public health policies or recommendations to be negative for STDs, HIV, hepatitis B virus (HBV), or any other blood borne infection. Their nonsexual contacts and patients are not at risk. In addition, the household partners and contacts of people with HIV or HBV never become infected despite years of shared kitchens, toilets, showers, towels, or beds (assuming they aren't sex or needle-sharing partners). The same is true of all STDs:  it never happens. While vaccination against HBV is a good idea for everyone, the reason is to protect themselves against infection if exposed, not to reduce transmission risk to others.

The only advice I would give is that if you have a wound with substantial bleeding, you not directly contact the kids (or any other person) until and unless the bleeding is controlled, the wound bandaged, etc. This applies to people with and without known blood borne infection. Even if infected, a lapse in this would carry little risk for others; it's still a simple, common sense precaution.

Finally, given your sexual history, you might want to consider testing (e.g. urine for gonorrhea and chlamydia, blood tests for HIV and syphilis), which are recommended at least once in a while in all persons who are in (or have had) non-monogamous sexual relationships. And perhaps HBV and HPV immunization. But be clear that I raise this not because of the kids or other non-intimate contacts, but for your own health and to protect future sex partners.

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn't clear.

HHH, MD
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28 months ago
Thank you very much Dr, that is very clear and helpful.

Just one thing on your second last point about bandaging a wound bleeding profusely - that definitely makes sense, however made me think of an incident several years back when I was living in a shared house with one other person who was very sexually active (and probably a drug user). One time I was using the hand towel in the shared bathroom and noticed it was quite red in places (big red patches), with what looked like blood (maybe from a bad shaving cut for instance). It wasn’t soaked in blood or anything and I think it was dried, but it makes me anxious now to think about that as my elderly parents were also visiting me at the time - so may have used that towel. They had at the time (and still have) several quite bad chronic medical conditions too.

But am I right in thinking that your advice about taking precautions with profusely bleeding wounds is just simple common sense advice as you said, and doesn’t meaningfully change the risk of that “incident” I described above as being a risk to myself or my parents for any of the  bloodborne diseases I mentioned above, or any blood borne disease? (assuming my previous housemate was infected). Ie it’s not something to realistically worry about for either myself or my parents per your first response about household contacts?  And there are no medical conditions they could have even rare ones that would meaningfully increase this risk?

Thank you again Dr for your kind reassurance.
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28 months ago
And apologies forgot to say my parents are unvaccinated to HBV. So question is that and any other blood borne diseases or STDs from the “towel” incident I mentioned or was your statement about bandaging profusely bleeding wounds just easy common sense advice as you said and does not meaningfully change the risk for household contacts. Thank you so much 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
28 months ago
I already answered your "But am I right..." question. Re-read my sentence starting "Even if infected...."

Nobody has been known -- or at least reported in the medical literature -- to have been infected with HIV by contact with blood (or a blood contaminated object or clothing) in the environment. If it happens, it is exceedingly rare. The risk might be a bit higher with hepatitis B, because it is inherently more easily transmissible than HIV. But here too I have heard to no such cases. So any hypothetical risk is extremely low. You're at much higher risk of having HIV due to your sexual lifestyle than because of contact with your housemate's towel all those years ago. Not to say you're at high risk. But there's are good reasons that CDC recommends that all Americans be tested for HIV at least once, regardless of risk. (Here's the CDC statement on it. Note the second author.  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5514a1.htm 

Your parents' HBV vaccination status is irrelevant if you don't have it (and probably not relevant even then, for the reasons already discussed). Various medical conditions can affect the severity of HBV, HIV or other viruses once infected, but in general do not elevate the likelihood of catching them.

Both the content and tone of your questions indicate you are way over worried about all this. Probably nothing I can say will resolve those worries as effectively as would be the knowledge you are not infected yourself. Get tested for HIV and HBV -- and while you're at it, syphilis, gonorrhea and chlamydia.
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28 months ago
Thank you again Dr, I will get tested for my own peace of mind. You’ve reassured me a lot though thank you - just one final follow up please about my parents (I can’t ask them to get tested) - when you said conditions do not generally increase risk of exposure, does that mean for any blood borne disease they would not increase any non-sexual/needle exposure risk to the point where it would be a meaningful risk? Even if it was a condition that involved high use of steroids or a rare condition like a blood clotting disorder? 

This is what I’ve read on here from some of your previous advice on here in the past (I looked it up) ie any increase in exposure risk for non-sex/non-needles would not be meaningful in real life for someone who had such a condition, so just wanted to check that is unchanged.

Thank you much again Dr for this, just need this final point then will feel reassured, thanks.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
28 months ago
I'm glad to hear that you "can't ask them to be tested". Even if you could, you should not even be tempted to do so. That would be clinically inappropriate and, in my opinion, unloving:  the main effect probably would be to frighten them unnecessarily. Even if you learn you have a blood borne infection, you need not inform them, at least not for their protection. (Whether you would want to discuss the situation to gain their support is a different issue, but of course only if you actually test positive.) 

I won't play your"what if?" game about how to protect your parents if you have a blood borne infection. Deal with that if you turn out to be infected; it is pointless to worry about it before then -- or in fact, even if you turn out to test positive. See my comments above if you still don't understand.

Nothing has changed in our advice that "exposure risk for non-sex/non-needles would not be meaningful in real life" -- which I also said in my comments above.

Thanks for the thanks; I'm glad to have helped (at least a little bit, I hope). That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. Best wishes and stay safe.
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