[Question #9915] What do I have and do what now?

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27 months ago
About 10 months ago received oral to scrotum from high risk person. Rigorous sucking for 10 min or so no other act. 

9 days later I started having symptoms of red scrotum, itching, burning sensation, and most importantly a left swollen testicle. I also developed ED at the same time.   Saw ID doc who is my pcp as well at that time said this is orchitis. 

Given antibiotics which did not help.

Few weeks later the swollen testicle did get better but the redness in scrotum, itching, tingling, cut feeling was always there, symptoms would be on and off over the months. 

Dermatologist had me try cream for fungal and lotion but no help. 

I also consulted with Terri regarding HSV and a WB from Terri at post 6 month exposure was negative for both type. 

It's been 10 months and I still have symptoms of itching, tingling, redness, and cut sort of feeling. 

Recently Derma do a culture on the redness and a blister looking type and the results came back as Herpes Zoster Shingles. 


Testing:
 
RPR - Neg - 4 mnths

HIV 1/2 - RNA - Neg - 2 weeks
HIV 1/2 p24 ab/ag - Neg 10 mnths

HSV 1/2 - WB from Terri - Neg at 6 mnths
HSV 2 IGG  - Neg - 10 mnths.

Q: Do I have new strain of HIV? Shingles only appear in low immune?

Q: What STD did I get?

Q: Can I still have HIV?

 Q:  Is it possible that I do not produce antibodies to HIV despite negative test at 10 months?

Q: Do I have STD that I can pass on?

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago
Welcome to the forum and thanks for your question. Unfortunately, I don't think the forum can help as much as you might hope. It is very clear you have no STD from the exposure your describe and never did -- and we limit our advice to STD problems, without going into detail about other causes just because they may involve the genital area. 

There are several reasons I am confident you have no STD. Oral to skin exposure is free of STD risk on any part of the body; the skin of the scrotum is no more susceptible to infection than anywhere else on the body. Even if your partner had an STD, there is nothing that you would have acquired. The physical nearness of the testicle doesn't mean infection can pass through the skin directly to the testis; to reach the testis an infection would have to enter the bloodstream and then happen to settle in the testicle by chance. To state it another way, from a biological/infection perspective, the testicle is no closer to the skin of the scrotum than is, say, your brain or a kidney.

As for your testicular pain and swelling -- whether orchitis, epididymitis, or something else -- I suppose it is possible that trauma from the vigor of the exposure could be a contributing factor. However, the timing isn't right; trauma would have caused pain and swelling within hours, not 10 days later. I have to believe that symptom was unrelated to the events you have described. Did you have any other sexual exposures in the 2-3 months before onset of the testicular pain? Did you ever have any discharge from the penis or painful urination? I ask because epididymitis, due to either STD or urinary tract infection, always are considerations for otherwise unexplained testicular pain and swelling.

Your scrotal skin inflammation:  The earliest symptoms might have been just local skin irritation from the vigorous oral exposure. After that, itching and irritation have several potential causes, but STDs are not among them. Herpes doesn't behave at all like this, and your negative HSV blood tests prove you don't have HSV.

Shingles? Wow -- that's a surprise diagnosis. But if that's an accurate diagnosis at present, it has nothing to do with the exposure described and has not been present ever since that event. Shingles doesn't last for months and is not caught from another person; it results from reactivation of the varicella zoster virus (VZV), the cause of childhood chickenpox. Certain immune deficiencies raise the risk of shingles, but it's also common in people with entirely normal immune systems. (I've had it, and my son had shingles at age 14.)

Finally, HIV? It isn't possible. First, it is never transmitted by oral-skin contact. Second, your negative HIV tests are conclusive.

Those comments pretty well cover your specific questions, but to assure no misunderstanding:

Q1. There is no such thing as HIV (new strains or otherwise) that could give negative blood tests or cause the sorts of problems you have had. As noted above, shingles does not necessarily mean you have HIV or any other immune deficiency. 

Q2, Q5. You acquired no STD and have no STD now and nothing you can pass to a sex partner.

Q3, Q4. You do not have HIV. There is no possibility of not making HIV antibodies within a few weeks of infection. And anyway, your tests included not just HIV antibody, but also were negative for the virus itself (the RNA test and the Ag component of the AgAb test).

I hope these replies settle your concerns about HIV and other STDs. As for your apparent shingles and the ongoing scrotal irritation, you'll need to continue to work with your dermatologist. I have no further advice about them.

Please let me know if anything isn't clear. Best wishes.

HHH, MD
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27 months ago
Thanks doc - I never had any discharge or such and Chalmyedia and Gonorreha was never on my mind. I did test neg for them.

I never had any issue with scrotum prior to this exposure.

My worries was HSV and HIV. I know you can get HSv from oral and most folks get it within 10 days so apparent symptoms at 10 day in genital really got me worried.

Derma was too surprise culture came back as zoaster from labcorp viral culture.

. He said he never seen it on scrotum in 40 years as Derma.

So really I'm worried what HSV / HIV / STD I got that I can't seem to clear the redness, on and off itching, tingling sensation in scrotum and groin.

One thing I didn't mentioned was prior to the exposure I was on Humira for 3 months. As soon as I had the encounter I stopped taking arthritis shot - Humira.

Could Humira delay HIV / HSV antibodies? 




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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago
"My worries was HSV and HIV." Those worries should be over. The negative test results are conclusive and you symptoms don't fit well with either of these infections.

" I can't seem to clear the redness, on and off itching, tingling sensation in scrotum and groin." These symptoms are not typical of herpes. And herpes outbreaks never last more than a week or two.

The location is fine for herpes zoster, which can occur anywhere on the body. However, most of what you describe doesn't fit well with it. Seems to me that the positive test may be false.

However, as I said at the outset, I am confident you have no STD. Therefore, I have no further advice about your symptoms or test results. Sorry.
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27 months ago
I agree, but I didn't clarify correctly in my writing. The symptoms come every 4 to 6 weeks, last about 10 to 14 days and go away then they come back. Obviously I was having a blister sore and went to the doc right away who did a culture and came back as Herpes Zoster. Yea, he was shocked too and didn't know what to think of it.  Of course, all this started exactly day 9  /10 after exposure and it's been a living hell. 

Most importantly, I took Valtrex and my symptoms improved (while on it)....21g but few days later started having itching and crawling sensation back again...Anyhow...given a negative blood work and neg for HIV I will take it home and move on with that. 

Final Question;

Based on what I've said so far is it safe / normal to resume sexual activity with regular partner without worrying about passing anything on? I know you can't guarantee anything but based on what I've said so far on my context and negative testing for 

RPR, HIV , HSV 1/2 and G&C . 

I think I've tested properly way out of the window period allowing ample time for any of the test to be positive.
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago
It remains certain you do not have herpes. Believe it. You seem to be hoping you have it just to win an argument, but this isn't a debate.

You should have been continuing your normal sexual life the last 10 months. It certainly is safe and appropriate to do so now. And yes, all tests were done sufficiently long to have given positive results if you had any of those conditions.

That completes the two follow-up exchanges included with each question and so ends this thread. I hope the discussion has been helpful.
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