[Question #9939] Unprotected Oral/Frottage

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27 months ago

Hello Doctors.  This occurred with a Stripper who I highly suspect was a drug user.  I received a hand job with her saliva, followed by 45 seconds of unprotected oral and some frottage that occurred over her panties as she noted she had her period.  Had Chlamydia and Gonorrhoeae test after 8 days that came back negative. My urine lab came back clear. I tested yesterday at 35 days for HIV with a 4th Gen test and Syphilis RPR.  I know its a bit early at 5 weeks instead of 6.

1. What should I be on the look-out for with regard to a chancre? What does it look like as it forms? 

2. If this is the new formation of a chancre and I am positive for Syphilis, does that increase my risk of HIV from this event?

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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago

Welcome to the forum. Thank you for your confidence in our services.

 

You really needn’t be at all worried about HIV – you didn’t actually need testing. HIV has never been documented to be transmitted by oral sex oral to penis (with only a few known infections in the other direction, i.e. penile to oral). The virus also is rarely if ever transmitted by saliva and is not transmitted by hand-genital contact.

 

As for syphilis, it continues to be quite rare in female sex workers in the US (most infection are in man who have sex with men); and oral sex is not a common transmission route and also not a risk from hand-genital contact, even if genital fluids are used for lubrication.

 

Your tests for both HIV and syphilis are nearly conclusive. Although 6 weeks is ideal, by 7 weeks (35 days) virtually all newly infected persons have positive test results.

 

To your specific questions:

 

1. If a chancre is going to appear at all, it does so no later than 2-3 weeks after exposure. With nothing yet, that alone (even without a blood test) is strong evidence you weren’t infected. Chancres typically start with a reddened skin bump that becomes an open sore within a few days. You can google “chancre photo” or similar term to find lots of images online.

 

2. In theory, if a sex partner has both syphilis and HIV, the chance of acquiring HIV probably is somewhat higher if syphilis is transmitted. However, the odds of this scenario in your situation are exceedingly low. As discussed above, the risk was low to start, and your negative blood tests show that almost certainly you were not infected with either one.

 

Had you asked ahead of time, I would have advised that the risk of both syphilis and HIV was low enough that you didn’t need testing. But having started down that path, I’m sure you’ll remain nervous until have had conclusively negative results. So for final reassurance have a repeat syphilis blood test and HIV AgAb (4thgeneration) blood test when you reach 6 weeks after the event. The results will be negative.

 

I hope these comments are helpful. Let me know if anything isn’t clear.

 

HHH, MD
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27 months ago
Thank you for the feedback. I received my results (very fast) from my tests yesterday this morning. Both the HIV 4th Gen and RPR taken at 35 days were non-reactive. Actually a bit concerned on how fast that was, less than 24 hours through LabCorp. 

1. I thought the risk of HIV from receiving oral was virtually non-existent? If I got Syphilis from rubbing against her rather than oral sex, is that where the heightened risk comes from?

2. You mentioned in your reply testing at 7 weeks. I tested at 35 days post exposure which is 5 weeks. Should I retest at 42 days or 49?
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago
I'm not sure why you worry your test results were available within a day. Speed of results doesn't mean anything about test reliability.

1. Correct that HIV doesn't occur by receiving oral sex -- which I said in my opening comments above. There also is zero risk by frottage. As I also said above, you didn't need HIV testing at all. There is no "heightened risk" for HIV in this situation.

2. I said 6 weeks (42 days), not 7 weeks.

For the reasons discussed above, you did not need testing for either syphilis or HIV. My suggestion for repeat tests at 6 weeks is only because you seemed to want to be assured you had been tested at a time that gives conclusive results. It's fine with me if you don't have another test for either one. It is clear you were not at risk and not infected with either HIV or syphilis. It's up to you!
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27 months ago
Doctor H. Just wanted to confirm with you that I received non-reactive test results from an HIV 4th Gen and Syphilis RPR after 45 days. 

I will consider this conclusive per your previous responses unless you feel I have misunderstood a response. 

Thank you for all of your support. 
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H. Hunter Handsfield, MD
27 months ago
Yes indeed:  Both test results are conclusive. You're home free!

That concludes this thread. I'm glad the discussion seems to have been helpful. Best wishes and stay safe.
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